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Zoshchenko
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« on: November 30, 2009, 09:19:21 AM »

We've all heard that something like 17.5 million Mosin Nagant rifles were made. I have no idea if that includes all the variants, but it probably does.

Is there any way to estimate how many still exist? And how many have ended up in the USA?
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2009, 09:40:10 AM »

Start by figuring a million imported to the USA in the last few years.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2009, 10:53:39 AM »

are there any known year by year production numbers? 1938 specifically Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2009, 11:01:55 AM »

are there any known year by year production numbers? 1938 specifically Smiley

Oh, only 1.12 million or so that year. Give or take: http://mosinnagant.net/USSR/Soviet-M9130.asp
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2009, 11:37:47 AM »

Thank You!!!!! i searched for that and couldn't find it anywhere.
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2009, 12:03:25 PM »

We've all heard that something like 17.5 million Mosin Nagant rifles were made. I have no idea if that includes all the variants, but it probably does.

Is there any way to estimate how many still exist? And how many have ended up in the USA?

I'm actually interested in how many of that huge 17.5 million production number are actually "re-made" with earlier receivers, or parts left over from trashed rifles and so on... No way to know I guess...
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2009, 12:46:13 PM »

yeah.. without some official documents from arsenals it'd be like trying to count not only all the blades of grass in your yard, but also trying to somehow count in clippings on the ground as well (misc/homeless parts).

and then it comes down to if you only count ones made in russia.. do you count the .22 model.. do you count the shotgun.. do you count military only or privately owned rifles... lots of variables.

good luck  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2009, 12:56:42 PM »

 Keep wondering, that's all there is.
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2009, 12:12:03 PM »

"How many Mosin Nagants?"  I say keep counting.  That 17.5M approximation is only for M91/30's made from 1930 to 1945.  It does not include the guestimated 185K M91/30 snipers.  Not sure if it is even half of the total production of Mosins.  Russia alone made about 12.25M M91's.  American and French M91's?  M38's?  M44's?  (including clones - Hungarian, Polish, and Romanian)?  How many T-53's were made (millions)?  I omitted the Finnish builds, Austrian 8mm conversions, Bannerman .30-'06 conversions, Belgian 8mm Blindee conversions, and Polish M91/98/25 8mm conversion numbers because they recycled existing receivers already counted.  So...keep counting...
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2009, 04:15:41 PM »

If you start a current count I have two of them... Wink
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2009, 04:18:14 PM »

Radom:

Let me guess......... You have most of them.  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2009, 05:00:13 PM »

Nope. Not even out of three digits, yet. Wink
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2009, 10:35:14 PM »

" "How many Mosin Nagants?"  I say keep counting.  That 17.5M approximation is only for M91/30's made from 1930 to 1945.  It does not include the guestimated 185K M91/30 snipers.  Not sure if it is even half of the total production of Mosins.  Russia alone made about 12.25M M91's.  American and French M91's?  M38's?  M44's?  (including clones - Hungarian, Polish, and Romanian)?  How many T-53's were made (millions)?  I omitted the Finnish builds, Austrian 8mm conversions, Bannerman .30-'06 conversions, Belgian 8mm Blindee conversions, and Polish M91/98/25 8mm conversion numbers because they recycled existing receivers already counted.  So...keep counting... "

And I only want two of each model made...... Grin  the collection aint a collection if'n ya don't have a couple trade guns  Grin

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